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I saw Mad Max: Fury Road yesterday, and intend to go see it again on Thursday or Friday.

It's not objectively the greatest movie, I think? I mean, it's a damn good action movie! It's basically a two-hour car chase scene with occasional pauses for breath, punctuated by intense fights and explosions; the characterization and world-building is done mostly through background visuals, body language, and implication. But you know, it's not aiming to be anything other than a damn good action movie. Which is cool. The world can always use more damn good action movies if you ask me. :-)

As for why people are saying it's great and deep and important...

Um. How to phrase this?

Okay. The thing is, I love action movies. I love action movies A LOT. I am so there for chases and fights and guns and knives and explosions and the rules of physics and biology being overwritten in the service of "Dude, wouldn't it be cool if?" propositions.

But with almost every action movie in the world, there's a little niggling sense of, "Yes, but..." in the back of my mind.

"Yes, but where are the women?"

Where are the women among the heroes? Where are the women with speaking roles? Where are the women in crowd scenes? Where are the women in the backgrounds of organizations? Where are the women just getting on with their lives? Where are the women who have any contact with other women?

With Fury Road, I didn't have to ask that question, because THE WOMEN WERE RIGHT THERE ON-SCREEN. I'd say about a dozen with speaking roles, and they had their own arcs and their own goals and they talked to each other, and they didn't exist to glorify the male characters or to serve as sexy inspiration (whether living or dead). Some of them were traditionally action-movie badass (with guns and fists and cars and whatever), and some were not, and that's okay because there were enough women on-screen that no single character had to bear the burden of representing ALL women. They could just be themselves, who they would logically be in their positions. Some were young and gorgeous, some were middle-aged, some were old, and they were all treated LIKE PEOPLE, not sexy lamps or dumb jokes or burdens -- just like men always get to be treated.

So it's not that Fury Road is a great movie with a deep message. It's just that for once, it's a movie in a genre I love that doesn't punch me in the face with one hand even as it clasps the other and takes my money. Instead, this movie pulls me in for a hug and says, "Welcome home."

I love it so much for that.

(And I think I am retroactively even more annoyed about all those past face-punches than I was at the time. Dammit, people, PUT WOMEN IN YOUR MOVIES. Do you see how easy it is to do? Do you see how it doesn't spoil the adrenaline rush at all?? Do you see how you don't have to invent contrived romantic subplots to "justify" putting in a single woman as a narratively useless love interest??? Do you see how much money I am willing to give you in return???? ARGH!)

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Date: 2015-06-04 01:59 am (UTC)
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EEEE. So glad you enjoyed it. I've seen it twice and enjoyed it more the second time. The meta, analysis, reviews, and discussions are SO GOOD. I really enjoyed it. My 16 year old son really enjoyed it. I've seen dude bros in the theater, and women, alone and daughters with their mothers taking their pictures afterwards. I really enjoyed it. In that scene with the many mothers? There are... 12 women? 7 of whom have names? And as you say, with so many women, no single one needs to carry the whole film. For a film with so little dialogue, it's amazing how much character Miller was able to squeeze in. I feel about Furiousa and Mad Max as I do about Ripley and Aliens, Star Wars and Princess Leia, and Sarah Connor -- it was pivotal, monumental, extraordinary.

No, it's not a perfect movie by any stretch, but it's a very good, very enjoyable one.

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Date: 2015-06-04 02:51 am (UTC)
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"Some of them were traditionally action-movie badass (with guns and fists and cars and whatever), and some were not, and that's okay because there were enough women on-screen that no single character had to bear the burden of representing ALL women."

That is so desperately important. When you have more than one featured female character, some of them can be weak, some can die, some can be evil, and it's OKAY because none of them is The Woman. (Same for non-white representation, obviously.)

The one hilarious thing is that I went to see it because I R A Feminist, and I realized twenty minutes in that I was waiting for the plot to kick in. Duh, self, this is an action movie, the action *is* the plot. I'll definitely be buying the DVD for the adrenaline rush.

God. When I remember my childhood, and the most badass woman I could find was a crossdressing girl in THE BLACK ARROW whom the hero despised for cowardice until he realized she was a girl and she was suddenly brave. I am so glad my daughter had Aerin-sol, and Aeryn, and all Tamora Pierce's heroines, and ... Women need heroes too. (end rant)

e: Also, and my husband who is a feminist overall just didn't get it, *there wasn't one rape threat. Not one.* It was clear that Furiosa and her gang were escaping from Infinite Rapeworld, but during the plot of the movie there wasn't one threat of that. It was an action movie.
Edited (more thinks) Date: 2015-06-04 02:52 am (UTC)

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Date: 2015-06-13 07:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marmota_b
Swallows and Amazons. Most emphatically Swallows and Amazons. Those books had the first female characters I actually related to in a characterisation sense, not just "Lucy is the youngest like me" (as much as I like Narnia, too).
Also, practically anything by Astrid Lindgren. And Tove Jansson, especially her later books (where the character I related to the most happened to be male, but certainly not because there weren't females to choose from).

Interesting thought from your parents about naming your toys! Because the oldest toys I have are this dog and puppy that I made into a father and son, even though the adult was supposed to be holding/hugging the puppy... I think it had something to do with the fact that "dog" is male in Czech, so little about 3 year old me could not imagine a female name for something defaultly male? The abundance of bears among toys meant the same thing. In fact, most toys were of animals that happened to be default male. And now that I try to recall the female animals... *sputters incoherrently as many implications of female Beast representation among human children rush into her mind* *goes back to the fact that the Czech translations of Narnia were better at it than the original because of default genders*

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Date: 2015-06-13 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marmota_b
I've made a post out of the Narnian defaults, by the way.

My sleep is guarded by Míšánek the he-panda (which alternates between default female for panda and default male for the bear part), Howard Jansson the he-marmot (from my avatar; marmot is default male, which is one of the reasons I go by Marmota; but he actually got his first name before he got to me and I liked it; the surname was also given by a friend) and Mamul the he-woolly mammoth (actually named by my sister).
There's also Tum-Tum the he-tiger and many a variation on "Míša", which is the Czech "Teddy" for bears. But I also have Sinda (a mis-hearing or possibly a Czech version of Cindy in Yogi Bear) - who's actually wearing a dress and whom I wanted really, really badly because female bear. And another panda I also wanted really, really badly, because then she could be the female panda I came up with as a friend for my existing male panda, nevermind that they look nothing alike because Míšánek was made by my aunt. :D
So I didn't always have the presence of mind to just simply go against the grain of the language, but I did want some female toys... Actually, Mamul was also made by our aunt, and if I remember correctly, later we found out she'd intended him to be female. So an argument could be made for a trans character. :D

In other news, I think I've just heard thunder.
Edited Date: 2015-06-13 06:29 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-06-15 09:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marmota_b
That's funny, and awesome, hearing about other people's similar toy stories! :D

We had a storm on Saturday, another on Sunday, today it was much colder and downcast and now it's raining gently and, it seems, quite persistently, so a resounding yes on that account! I just hope it won't turn into three weeks of rain. :-)

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Date: 2015-06-15 09:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marmota_b
Also, a further stressed recommendation of Swallows & Amazons. Do yourself a favour and check those books out; they're among those that stand out the most from my childhood and those I love returning to.

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Date: 2015-06-04 05:42 am (UTC)
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With Fury Road, I didn't have to ask that question, because THE WOMEN WERE RIGHT THERE ON-SCREEN. I'd say about a dozen with speaking roles, and they had their own arcs and their own goals and they talked to each other, and they didn't exist to glorify the male characters or to serve as sexy inspiration (whether living or dead). Some of them were traditionally action-movie badass (with guns and fists and cars and whatever), and some were not, and that's okay because there were enough women on-screen that no single character had to bear the burden of representing ALL women.

Yessss. I loved that there were older women and WOC positioned as mixed-raced Aborigines, and I especially love that Furiosa is just so... explicitly presented as her looks not mattering. Because in 99% of action films and TV shows, even where the female character(s) has her own great arc, she still fulfills the critera of conventional attractiveness. And Charlize Theron is gorgeous, but Furiosa's shaved head, muscular frame, along with never mattering because of how she looks (to either the hero or the villain) challenges that.

I'm definitely going to see the film again, myself. Maybe I'll drag some more friends along.

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