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'Elemental magic' systems bother me. I mean, earth, air, fire, water... it's a thoroughly disproved pseudo-scientific theory from the ancient Mediterranean world. It's not even constant over the whole earth, because I think the ancient Chinese system goes earth, water, fire, metal, wood, or some such -- which is not just adding new items, but completely disregarding air, one of the supposed 'constants' of the universe (at least according to people who take elemental symbolism seriously).

But.

This division keeps turning up in stories I read -- and in stories I write, considering that I write fanfiction for Angel Sanctuary. So I am trying to come to terms with it. Here are two theories toward that goal.

Theory 1:
earth/water/air/fire = solid/liquid/gas/plasma

Theory 2:
earth/water/air/fire = stasis/physical change/chemical change/nuclear change

If you want to get really fancy, maybe both interpretations can be true at the same time!

Thoughts, anyone?

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Ah, now see, I'm much less fond of the binary symbolism. It's a little too confining for my mind, I've found that it's too easy for people to think for example that dark=evil simply because they're more comfortable with light - not that I'm saying you do that, just that it makes me twitchy when I start looking at binary systems. I have Issues with certain people in my life who look at things that way. *rolls eyes*

The scientific focus is used by some elemental mages, I know, I'm just not one of them. :)

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